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Subsidize This: US Eyes Tariffs on Chinese Solar Panels, But What Gets Protected?

Firedoglake -- While trade is often a bone of contention between the U.S. and China, this week’s visit by Chinese V. President Xi Jinping threw the spotlight on one subset of that battle that could have far-reaching effects well in excess of the raw dollar amounts at stake.

At issue is a complaint filed by a solar industry trade group, the Coalition for American Solar Manufacturing asking that the US government impose tariffs on Chinese solar panels. CASM wants the duties for what it claims are unfair subsidies by China that make Chinese solar products substantially cheaper than those offered by many US competitors.

indicate the federal govt set to weigh in on the side of US solar energy companies in this brewing trade war, and so make a stand for domestic green energy manufacturing and good-paying job

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,624 Points:1,609,520 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 22, 2012 4:15:03 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse repeat article?
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,020 Points:2,345,510 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 1:11:24 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse US Eyes Tariffs on Chinese Solar Panels OR Produce Cheaper renewable energy from solar, wind, hydro, thermal, tidal and/or nuclear to replace the oil that will not be there some day. Cheaper alternative fuels from algae, bacteria, the biomass or the waste stream. NO subsidies or tariffs needed! Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle is, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using ‘other’ forms of transportation or car pool to lower your cost for transportation. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
TXryder Champion Author Texas Posts:2,712 Points:433,645 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 20, 2012 12:09:47 AM Ignore TXryder Report Abuse Tariffs should have been placed on all Chinese imports back when they signed into a free trade agreement. Its no secret that US companies have been undercut by cheap Chinese imported garbage forcing factory closures and massive layoffs all across the US. FULL POWER AHEAD with the TARIFFS! I rather pay a little extra for a US-made, quality controlled product rather than some Communist Chinese inferior crap that falls apart.
Zonk Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,486 Points:2,102,990 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:28:51 PM Ignore Zonk Report Abuse Why all the get up on solar panels? It would not be my choice for energy for the U.S. now or in the future.
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,212 Points:872,740 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:15:27 PM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse Just forget about solar, manufactures want tariffs because their products are not economically feasible.
kgbellman Champion Author Ann Arbor Posts:2,718 Points:732,815 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:11:22 PM Ignore kgbellman Report Abuse Yes, I see where they are coming from
The_DR Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,785 Points:585,815 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:10:31 PM Ignore The_DR Report Abuse I read this yesterday.
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CDMAuto Champion Author Connecticut Posts:3,798 Points:754,890 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:05:16 PM Ignore CDMAuto Report Abuse Lets do it
Focus2 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,892 Points:1,919,340 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:02:47 PM Ignore Focus2 Report Abuse I doubt that the US has the backbone to stand up to the Chinese and make it work.
vollee Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,774 Points:760,140 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 10:00:35 PM Ignore vollee Report Abuse Yep - the Solar industry - the backbone of OBozo's green energy plan. How many BILLIONS in grants and loans from the Fed Energy Dept? And how many bankruptcies and defaults on loans financed by US -THE TAXPAYERS? and now they want tariff protection! Wonder who's election coffers they are pouring millions into?
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LCSTEELERBOB Champion Author Gary Posts:2,961 Points:720,130 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:56:09 PM Ignore LCSTEELERBOB Report Abuse they need to do this right and not screw things up
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Throroughbred Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,031 Points:1,210,770 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:53:44 PM Ignore Throroughbred Report Abuse We shall see!
byoftDad Champion Author Columbus Posts:4,452 Points:1,233,375 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:50:07 PM Ignore byoftDad Report Abuse More Crap from the Gov't.
PoohMcGoo Champion Author Alabama Posts:3,067 Points:800,585 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:44:48 PM Ignore PoohMcGoo Report Abuse Our companies are failing without tariffs.. So this is stupid, we arent close to competing..
EVBuddy Champion Author Nevada Posts:16,692 Points:3,032,510 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:44:26 PM Ignore EVBuddy Report Abuse Another waste of time.
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rf6480 Champion Author Miami Posts:1,534 Points:547,805 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:42:33 PM Ignore rf6480 Report Abuse what American companies? The big corps. all have operations in other countries. It's all about greed.
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,576 Points:1,772,940 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:40:07 PM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse Moot point. Bolster the panels or not -- they are unaffordable. Solar has much more involved than panels. Construction, maintenance, batteries, power inverters and switching equipment are also part of the overall cost. Only when cost is NOT a factor does PV solar make sense. When the sun shines, that is.
mrreferee Champion Author Savannah Posts:1,336 Points:557,530 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:37:55 PM Ignore mrreferee Report Abuse we need to protect americian companies
Hoporrene Veteran Author Mississippi Posts:312 Points:206,970 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:36:48 PM Ignore Hoporrene Report Abuse There is always a better way
RTrekker Sophomore Author Seattle Posts:163 Points:1,066,560 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:36:45 PM Ignore RTrekker Report Abuse We certainly have the ability to make quality just about anything and get it to the consumer at a decent price....it's politics that get in the way.
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judgemobile Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,570 Points:2,445,135 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:31:07 PM Ignore judgemobile Report Abuse If we stop buying things made in USA, there will soon not be a USA as we remember it.
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dmgas1 Sophomore Author Philadelphia Posts:122 Points:83,965 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:26:55 PM Ignore dmgas1 Report Abuse So what else is new... Nice not to trade with them on moral/ethical grounds, but from a business perspective, not much will change... a potential market of 1+ billion is hard to ignore
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SammyAdams Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:3,056 Points:793,535 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:24:02 PM Ignore SammyAdams Report Abuse We probably should not be trading with any country that keeps its people in bondage; the slave labor wages ALONE being sufficient, but I also am not in favor of giving the Federal government more money.
Mariuxus Champion Author Chicago Posts:3,765 Points:1,871,290 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:23:49 PM Ignore Mariuxus Report Abuse China...no surprise..
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sjl08203 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:6,092 Points:1,374,815 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:18:32 PM Ignore sjl08203 Report Abuse Good. Make them so expensive that no one can buy them
LanguageMan1 Champion Author Tampa Posts:11,723 Points:1,661,790 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:17:30 PM Ignore LanguageMan1 Report Abuse I'm getting ready to buy a couple of additional solar panels, and I most likely will NOT buy Chinese made solar panels if I can avoid it. Depends on what I'm able to find, and I should be able to buy one or more American made panels; which is an example others should follow here in this country if they want to retain or grow jobs with as little government involvement as possible. It's the same with razors, buy the cheap made Chinese crap, get a bad shave and lose jobs or buy American made razors and get a better shave, a longer lasting razor and keep or grow jobs.
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walkingtall Champion Author Toronto Posts:3,999 Points:1,121,680 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:09:44 PM Ignore walkingtall Report Abuse US eyes tariffs on chinese solar panels,but what gets protected.Even with tariffs on chinese products it's still cheaper,we need to look at this closely.
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JJ763 Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,234 Points:289,415 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:06:53 PM Ignore JJ763 Report Abuse The sun, duh.
waynemustang Champion Author Indiana Posts:6,377 Points:1,665,785 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:03:39 PM Ignore waynemustang Report Abuse Solar panels have never been worth producing.
vibdata Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:4,090 Points:849,300 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 9:02:49 PM Ignore vibdata Report Abuse You're worried about solar panels when gas and diesel prices are ridiculous? Anything to get some cheaper energy is welcomed.
rbrk02 Champion Author Rhode Island Posts:5,742 Points:817,230 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 8:59:14 PM Ignore rbrk02 Report Abuse ExplorerWA, really have to agree. I, too, cannot see a 'win' here'.
texasvet Champion Author Texas Posts:3,828 Points:360,445 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Feb 19, 2012 8:59:06 PM Ignore texasvet Report Abuse This is just a ploy by Obama to cadge more campaign contributions from the solar panel industry before the rest of them go broke.